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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase I've

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got a truly remarkable interview to

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share with you guys today but before we

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dive in I wanted to take a second to let

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you know about some exciting things that

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are coming up for the podcast in the

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coming weeks first of all as I'm sure

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most of you are aware at this point I

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will be co-hosting and also speaking at

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the Ohio UFO Heritage conference that is

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being held at the historicoke hotel at

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base on May

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5th and May 6th we'll have speakers

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including Dr Diana walsh-pasulka Bryce

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Sable Dr Michael Masters Micah Hanks

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and yours truly we'll also be doing a

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private screening of James Fox's moment

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of contact with a q a with the man

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himself to follow

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I couldn't be more excited about this

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lineup of speakers and I'm absolutely

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humbled at the opportunity to be doing

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this literally at the gates of

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reasons that we'll discuss more deeply

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in just a second tickets are on sale at

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ufoheritage.com

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but first I wanted to let you guys know

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about the content that you can expect to

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see over the next few weeks I know that

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everyone is eagerly awaiting episode 20

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which is part two in the waking up

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this next episode will focus on

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simulation Theory the zoo hypothesis

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control mechanism and more as we explore

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in something like The Matrix

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as you can imagine it's a beast to write

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but I'm hoping to get that to you guys

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in the meantime I have some other great

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episodes planned which is something that

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will be happening a lot more often in

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between regular episodes so going

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forward regular episodes will continue

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to be numbered at one at two etc those

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enjoyed in order however I want to start

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making room for other kinds of content

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as well so that I can bring you guys the

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most interesting and up-to-date

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information that I can

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when I started this podcast around 18

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months ago public disclosure was moving

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at a slow crawl the government had said

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nothing except basically that there were

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Unknown Origin doing some things that we

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couldn't explain it was clear that

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things were happening behind the scenes

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but the progress was slow

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all that has changed in recent months

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may we saw the first congressional UFO

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hearings in 50 years but in 2023 things

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stirring and word is that Congress is

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very least historic so moving forward

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I'll be doing periodic episodes focused

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disclosure and I'll be kicking that off

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a week from today when I'll drop an

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potential upcoming UFO hearings

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of The Liberation times and over the

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last 18 months he has consistently

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punch on virtually every major story

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journalism that is so rare when it comes

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to this topic it would be hard to find a

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better source to talk to about what's

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going on in Washington right now and I

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and that episode will come out a week

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from today April 6th patrons as always

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Dr Diana Walsh paselka will be joining

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interviewer's chair as we speak with Dr

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E Whiteley you may not have heard of Dr

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Whitely before but I can confidently say

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that she is one of the most fascinating

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people on the planet and it is an

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absolute honor to be able to bring this

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conversation to you all Dr IA Whiteley

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is a space psychologist who is designed

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training programs for astronauts that

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help them prepare for and adapt to the

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rigors of space travel a pilot and

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adventurer herself with a love for scuba

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exploring extreme states of human

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experience and human potential

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her unique perspective and skill set has

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Industries and she also has a particular

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interest in developing means of

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Dr IA Whiteley is truly one of those

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rare individuals who has the kind of

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mind that can both see and invent the

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future the scope and impact of her work

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is honestly dizzying she will be

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featured in Dr pasulka's upcoming book

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encounters experiences with non-human

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intelligences which is due out in

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beyond a shadow of a doubt that

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Mexico in July of 1947 and that the

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the proof for the second half of that

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to draw your own conclusions and as

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Base as a lifelong ohioan who is lucky

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of this historic site I have found

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as well with most of the base hiding

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like a labyrinth deep underground

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kept returning to the Temple mount in

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Jerusalem where for Millennia the

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abrahamic religions have built and

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sacred land leaving layers upon layers

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God's presence was said to appear only

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the high priest was allowed to enter

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this space and only one day each year

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it also called to mind the Giza plateau

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and the stories of secret Chambers

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containing lost knowledge hidden deep

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are these just fanciful Daydreams in one

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sense the answer is clearly yes of

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temple was religious the purpose of

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right Pat is military and the purpose of

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Plateau are still largely unknown

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to support the notion that they were for

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burial purposes and so it's hard to know

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between these differences and the vast

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divides of culture context and time that

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divide them it could easily be argued

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that such comparisons can only ever be

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superficial at best

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and yet I'm going to persist for just a

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moment in making that comparison because

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as we contemplate the very real evidence

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that Wright-Patterson was the repository

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for non-human technology and bodies

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after the Roswell crash I can't help

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wondering if what we're seeing at all

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three of these sites might be a response

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to a very particular kind of stimulus

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the secrets at the heart of our contact

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with the Divine numinous and

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otherworldly are something that we tend

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to hide away usually deep underground or

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tucked away behind High walls out of

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view and inaccessible only a select few

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were given the secrets of the inner

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Chambers and what they contain

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why do we do that is it that Secrets

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themselves contain a kind of power is it

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all just smoke and mirrors in order to

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pad black budgets in the pockets of a

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select few or could it be that there's

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something about the nature of our

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contact with non-human intelligences

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that demands to be hidden perhaps there

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is a truth that is too terrible to share

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or perhaps we're just not ready

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whatever the answers to these questions

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we all owe an enormous debt of gratitude

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to researchers like Thomas Carey and

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Donald Schmidt who dedicated Decades of

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their lives to recovering and

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documenting these lost histories

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it is through the tireless and largely

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thankless efforts of people like them

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that we have the hope of one day piecing

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the story back together and in doing so

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becoming reacquainted with the truth of

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who we are and our place in the cosmos

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so let's dive into it

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my guest Thomas J Carey received a

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Bachelor's in Business Administration

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from Temple University a masters in

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anthropology from California State

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University Sacramento and a PhD in

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anthropology from the University of

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Toronto an Air Force veteran who held a

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top secret crypto clearance Tom is now a

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retired Philadelphia area businessman he

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has been a mufon state section director

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for Southeastern Pennsylvania from 1986

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to 1991 a special investigator for the J

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Allen heineck Center for UFO studies

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from 1991 to 2001 and a member of their

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board of directors from 1998 to 2001.

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Tom began investigating aspects of the

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Roswell incident in 1991 for the Roswell

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investigative team of Kevin Randall and

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Don Schmidt and since 1998 has teamed

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exclusively with Don Schmidt to continue

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a proactive investigation of the case

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you can find his full bio and list of

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authored books in the episode brief

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without any further Ado here is my guest

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Thomas J Carey

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Tom thank you so much for joining me

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today I just got done reading your

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incredible book about Wright Patterson

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and I'm so excited to talk to you

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welcome to the show my pleasure Kelly

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and uh it's a fine day today and it's

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nice to meet you

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it's wonderful to meet you too so I just

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want to dive in because there's so much

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in this book what was really humbling to

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see was just how much hard work and shoe

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leather went into piecing together these

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lost histories that have been

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intentionally hidden and suppressed and

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I know that that's something that you've

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dealt with a lot in your work so can you

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talk about like what is even the process

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of beginning to write a book like this

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where so many of the witnesses have been

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maybe scared or intimidated out of even

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wanting to tell their stories even

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wanting to be found well Kelly uh you

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have people today

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you could see the one uh you know

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several channels they they think they're

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oh I'm going to solve this Roswell case

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in a week

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well uh I've been on the case since 1991

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active

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and uh you've heard of the old term

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gumsho the old gum Shield investigator

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and that's what this case required it

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was so complex

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and uh variegated and we were chasing

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the Undertaker The Undertaker was racing

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with us to uh so we could find all the

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witnesses that we could Farm before they

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passed away

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and they're The Undertaker ultimately

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warned but not before we solved the case

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of over 30 years of work

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uh interviewing people

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going to the various crash sites

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and that's what this case required I I

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didn't work but any other case

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other than this one

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and neither did my co-author Donald

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Schmidt we worked on this case alone of

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course we heard of other cases but there

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are active investigation of a proactive

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gumshoe nature knocking on doors making

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phone calls having doors slammed in our

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face foreign phones hung up on us uh

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that's what this case required

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and as a result

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we have located and interviewed over 600

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first and second-hand Witnesses but

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that's what makes this case different

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than any other UFO case is the number

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are the number of witnesses that we got

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on the record and uh also what makes

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this case different is that we have not

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just the light in the sky over you know

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something like the Phoenix slice so

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that's a good case but it's lights in

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the sky right and that's all and uh

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maybe a a

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viewing of a triangular Crypt but

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there's no

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no nothing left other than that this

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case

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involves an alleged crashed

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Flying Saucer or disc

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or UFO physical evidence

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with occupants

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back in 1947 they didn't call them

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aliens they called them little fellas

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or little people

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um but but not aliens they didn't use

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that term they just said little people

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there were little people involved and so

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you have physical evidence you have

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biological evidence you have

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intimidation and threats of death if

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people talk and a huge government

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cover-up so you have all this wrapped up

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in one period so that's why it took us

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over 30 years to put all of this

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together

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and uh we we believe we solved the case

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the only thing we're missing Kelly

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is a piece of physical evidence that we

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can go on television and say okay folks

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look at this we don't have to send it

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away to a lab that you'll never hear

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from again

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here's what this piece of evidence looks

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like and mostly I'm talking about what

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they call a Memory Metal if you read the

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book you you know what I'm talking about

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the memory metal that you could fold up

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like this in your hand

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open it up and it would just sort of

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float there unfurl itself

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it just float there there lazily and you

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couldn't cut it scratch it or

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permanently deform it in any way it was

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very thin looked like thin tin foil

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uh from a you know Pace uh piece of

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chewing gum you know if you eat a little

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foil I won't say smoke because people

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don't smoke anymore

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but uh that's what it looked like and it

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was indestructible

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so uh that's what this case required I

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mean how else could something it

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occupy your interest for so long

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if it wasn't number one interesting

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number two of mystery which it was a

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mystery and number three every time we

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got a new witness boom it spread us on

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to keep going

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and uh We've co-authored

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uh We've co-authored together uh Donald

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Smith and myself 12 books

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on the Roswell case the one year we're

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talking about today is the UFO Secrets

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at Wright Anderson where all of this

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stuff originally went

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wow well thank you so much for all of

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your hard work because I all of this

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could have been lost right all of this

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my hair was Brown when I started this

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yes it was you and just a handful of

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other researchers who just wouldn't let

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it go and if it weren't for you we

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wouldn't have this information so thank

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you so much for doing that going back to

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the history of right patent before we

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get to the more fun stuff about what

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might be hidden there but

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was

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built on the spot where the Wright

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brothers took their first steps towards

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flight can you talk a little bit about

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the early history of the base like up

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through World War II and how it shaped

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right Pat into being the most natural

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and logical place for the Roswell crash

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materials to be taken

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Wright Patterson uh to go through the

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early history of it it will give you a

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headache

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sure we can we can take a high level

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view yes too many too many name changes

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for the two bases it started out you

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know the Wright brothers were in the

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bicycle business they manufactured and

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repaired bicycles and they uh bought

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this uh level playing

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I don't mean like an airplane I mean a

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level plane near Dayton Ohio

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I forget what it was originally called

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there were so many different name

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changes

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are you not even going to try to

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remember them but it wound up that there

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were two

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bases there one uh right field and in

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honor of it was either Orville or Wilbur

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Wright I don't know which one it was but

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one of the Wright brothers right field

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and Patterson field

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and uh so

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Along Comes World War one and make a

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government uh just took over took over

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these fields because the airplanes these

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newfangled gadgets called airplanes they

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needed a place to land and take it off

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and test and all that so the government

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took over right field and uh Patterson

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field

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and uh so after the war is over they

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said oh we we really like this so they

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kept them

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but they still called it right field and

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Patterson field

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along comes uh World War II

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and lo and behold the one of the key

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things that uh

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the the military wanted to do is they

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wanted to get a hold of uh access either

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German or uh

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Japanese aircraft

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to capture them to see what made them go

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what made them fly and how the United

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States could build something that would

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defeat each of them in battle

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and so they

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would capture these and they ultimately

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wound up at right field

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and they're they're back engine they

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call it back engineering re-engineering

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where they would take them apart

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you know nuts and bolts and all over

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things take them apart see what made

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them to put them back together and test

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test them flying

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and so right field is already in the

555
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,840
back engineering business in World War

556
00:22:18,730 --> 00:22:16,980
II

557
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:18,740
and so

558
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,140
along with the war is over

559
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:25,140
and who is our new adversary uh the

560
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:27,000
Soviet Union

561
00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,059
so that's where the mig-15s wound up was

562
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,520
at right field again for back

563
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,100
engineering equals you know and when we

564
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:36,960
went to Korea

565
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:40,200
we had just started the manufacturing

566
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:44,400
their jet engines and uh or early Jets

567
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:46,860
could not compete with the mig-15 the

568
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:49,080
Russian I mean because it had swept

569
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:50,760
Wings you know

570
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:54,780
so we captured one maybe uh you know

571
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,299
took apart and we started building our

572
00:23:03,010 --> 00:22:59,580
own jets with swept wings

573
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:03,020
and uh I think what was the the

574
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,980
Lockheed shooting star and the uh

575
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:09,780
saber jet the same North America or

576
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,100
Sable jet

577
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,640
was a result of that so alarm comes uh

578
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,799
you know the Korean Armistice is over

579
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,440
and all of a sudden actually from World

580
00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:21,299
War II

581
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,919
these funny things were

582
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:27,360
in the scope we started seeing these

583
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:31,260
funny Globes and disc shaped objects and

584
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:35,760
what had you beginning in 1947 on Moss

585
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,940
we started seeing there was like uh

586
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,220
just a lot of them

587
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,500
especially in New Mexico where all of

588
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:46,620
our Atomic research was going on

589
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,860
so when one I used it I you know I still

590
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,799
use the term allegedly crashed

591
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:54,539
in New Mexico

592
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:57,780
in 1947 well where else would you take

593
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,960
it to back engineer it right field

594
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:03,600
they took it the right field to back

595
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:07,260
engineer the wreckage to see what was

596
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:10,260
made of and all of that stuff it was the

597
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,320
natural place to go also the biological

598
00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,080
material or saying aliens now

599
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:18,780
they went to right field as well because

600
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,020
that's where we had our Advanced bio

601
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:24,960
medical laboratories and Hospital

602
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:27,960
so that's where everything went to right

603
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,159
field

604
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,740
and it's still at this point 1947 it's

605
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,559
still right field and Patterson field

606
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:38,400
in September of 1947 there was the uh

607
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:41,780
defense defense something

608
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,940
act where right field and Patterson

609
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,840
field merged to become Wright Patterson

610
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:50,400
Air Force Base they did away with the

611
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:51,720
name field

612
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:54,600
uh in favor of Air Force Base so it

613
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,179
became Wright Patterson Air Force Base

614
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,299
and it's been that way ever since

615
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:03,840
but uh in 47 and for many years

616
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,700
thereafter it was still the most

617
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:08,640
important Base Air Force Base in our

618
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,900
inventory

619
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,720
had the uh uh

620
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,120
you know foreign you know the the

621
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,400
so-called foreign technology division

622
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,919
that went through name changes as well

623
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:22,380
it'll get you make your head spin

624
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,799
so I always refer to it as FTD foreign

625
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:28,080
technology division that's where all of

626
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:30,179
the foreign stuff

627
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:33,179
went that was uh physical evidence

628
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:36,539
physical stuff went to the FTD or

629
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,419
foreign technology at right field

630
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:41,760
and so that's where the Roswell wreckage

631
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:44,700
went that's where the the bodies went

632
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:47,159
and they stayed there

633
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:51,659
you know they were analyzed and uh back

634
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,360
engineer the memory metal

635
00:25:59,409 --> 00:25:56,640
and the bodies were dissected the bodies

636
00:26:02,330 --> 00:25:59,419
were actually loaned around to various

637
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:02,340
hospitals military hospitals over the

638
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,020
years but uh

639
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:06,539
the material stayed there until about

640
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:11,220
the early 90s uh 1982 83 84 then it went

641
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:13,980
to Area 51 in Nevada

642
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:17,100
but originally and for many years the

643
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,940
real Area 51 was Wright Patterson Air

644
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,039
Force Base I know when I whenever I give

645
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,960
a lecture

646
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:27,840
I'll ask the audience uh how many of you

647
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,600
have heard of Area 51 all the hands go

648
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,419
up all the hands go up

649
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,400
well how many of you have heard of

650
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:37,500
Wright Patterson Air Force Base maybe

651
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:40,919
one or two ends go up so they don't know

652
00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:42,779
about that but that's that was their

653
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:46,520
work first Area 51 where all of this

654
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:50,520
alien stuff let's call it when so I

655
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:53,539
that's that's a short history

656
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:56,279
that's as short a history as I can give

657
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,900
Kelly

658
00:27:01,549 --> 00:27:00,360
that's wonderful thank you

659
00:27:04,029 --> 00:27:01,559
um and for anyone I don't want to get

660
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:04,039
too far down the the proving Roswell

661
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:06,059
rabbit hole because I feel like that

662
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:08,039
could be its own you know we could spend

663
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,299
we could make a whole podcast just about

664
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,940
that but for anyone who's listening

665
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,340
you've done extensive research on this

666
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,620
topic if somebody's skeptical about the

667
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,419
idea that something truly anomalous

668
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,700
crashed at Roswell where would you

669
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,140
direct them to look maybe to one of your

670
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,240
books or where would you send people who

671
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,179
are curious well uh you're exactly right

672
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,360
uh everybody including doctors and

673
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,600
lawyers I mean we've heard from every uh

674
00:27:38,649 --> 00:27:35,520
level of society

675
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:38,659
once they read one of our books they say

676
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,880
you've convinced me we've had lawyers

677
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:42,960
tell us

678
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:46,380
if we ever went to uh took the Air Force

679
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:49,980
or the military to court over this case

680
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:53,460
we would win hands down slam dunk

681
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:57,059
because the the military the Air Force

682
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,220
the offensive they have no answers for

683
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:01,980
us they have no answer for us other than

684
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:04,919
to remain silent because they they can't

685
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,860
combat the facts that we have put

686
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,720
together over the years all the

687
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,000
witnesses the locations and everything

688
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,640
that went on the back engineering stuff

689
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,000
like that they have no answer for it so

690
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:19,740
if you um

691
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:23,159
remember uh was that last year that they

692
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,700
held this conference or uh in the House

693
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:29,760
of Representatives where they uh two

694
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,740
defense one was from the defense

695
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:33,539
department the other was from the Navy

696
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,419
both intelligence people

697
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:39,600
uh they cut off their investigation the

698
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:43,679
Baseline started in 2004.

699
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:46,860
that was the Nimitz uh the Nimitz Tic

700
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,039
Tac case they didn't go beyond anyway I

701
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,559
don't know folks the best cases occurred

702
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:54,779
before 2004

703
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:56,039
so

704
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,240
what happened was uh they they now have

705
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,279
been

706
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,559
uh instructed by

707
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:07,320
um Congress

708
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:11,279
to go back initially it was to 1947 and

709
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,100
we all know what happened in 1947 don't

710
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:17,760
we the Roswell case well they're going

711
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:20,520
back to 1945 is going to be their

712
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,340
Baseline which is actually before

713
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,399
what I call the Modern Age of UFOs when

714
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,559
it began in 47.

715
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,840
but somebody talked them into going back

716
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,299
to 1945 but originally they just wanted

717
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:35,399
to go back in 1947 which was okay

718
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:39,000
because it covers the Roswell case which

719
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,460
is the one they don't want to talk about

720
00:29:47,409 --> 00:29:44,340
because you can't there's no way you can

721
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,419
get around it and so I'm access to see

722
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,520
the next report Kelly is due out I

723
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:52,860
believe in June of this year June 25th

724
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:55,260
or somewhere around there I'm anxious to

725
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,340
see

726
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:58,500
what if anything they have to say about

727
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,820
Roswell

728
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,399
because they they they just can't

729
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:05,880
compete with the the 30 years ago I

730
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:08,940
spent 30 plus years Don Schmidt spent 30

731
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:12,419
plus years on the case we developed

732
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:15,659
from every point in the case from the

733
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,419
crash to the delivery at Wright

734
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,760
Patterson we have witnesses all along

735
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:22,860
the trajectory

736
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,960
the record unfortunately they're all

737
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,760
dead now that's that's one of the

738
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:31,140
problems

739
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,679
uh future researchers all of the first

740
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,200
hand witnesses that we know of or that

741
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:38,640
are gone

742
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:42,659
so uh but we got we we have more than

743
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:43,740
enough

744
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:46,500
uh to really knock this thing out of the

745
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,460
park

746
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:51,120
wow and throughout your book there were

747
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,700
several references to potentially two or

748
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,799
three other crashes that were alleged to

749
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:57,360
have happened in just a few years right

750
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,940
after Roswell what do you make of of

751
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:02,399
those stories and those reports uh Kelly

752
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,940
uh I've heard those stories too

753
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:08,340
the uh

754
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:11,700
the one crash I talking about is this

755
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,620
Cape Girardeau in Missouri 1941.

756
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,320
the problem with that case is that

757
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:21,659
there's only one witness

758
00:31:30,169 --> 00:31:26,520
of that magnitude you have to have more

759
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:30,179
than just one witness who's long dead

760
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:33,659
and the other one is I believe a hoax

761
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,039
it's it's the 1945 case that allegedly

762
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:40,980
occurred in San Antonio New Mexico not

763
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,940
San Antonio Texas but San Antonio New

764
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:46,500
Mexico

765
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,760
and the witness

766
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:52,559
first they went to Stanton Friedman

767
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,740
fellow uh Roswell investigator the the

768
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,720
original Roswell investigator who

769
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:00,000
unfortunately passed away three three

770
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,620
years ago

771
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:04,080
uh this witness I won't name them

772
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:06,260
because I don't want to get in trouble

773
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,779
uh he came to a stand he says all right

774
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,179
I don't want any part of this case so he

775
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:14,340
came to me

776
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,159
and so I'm listening to this story and

777
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:19,860
I'm thinking my goodness uh

778
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,100
he he's only this is only one witness

779
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:25,679
he's crane they had a little crash in

780
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,620
1945 with all these other Witnesses but

781
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:30,659
none of whom he could name

782
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,960
and finally he said to me how can I make

783
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,000
money off of this case and that was that

784
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,760
was the Clincher for me that this was a

785
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,000
funny case because he wanted to know

786
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,640
how he could make money on this case the

787
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,799
other thing was I said do you have any

788
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:48,480
physical evidence do you have any photos

789
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:51,480
oh I have a photo I have a photo

790
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,620
he sent me a photo Kelly it looked like

791
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,559
now you know what a swivel chair the

792
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,020
base that what it what it stands on is

793
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,240
there something like this and the legs

794
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,000
go out a swivel chair it looked like the

795
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,279
face of a swivel chair that somebody had

796
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,960
painted silver

797
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:12,360
and I said I'm sorry this doesn't this

798
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:13,860
doesn't do it

799
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,919
and and further investigation of it it

800
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:18,779
turned out to be

801
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,220
a housing to a women one of the flanges

802
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:25,919
on a windmill the housing on it that

803
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,679
somebody had painted silver and uh

804
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,779
that's the other case

805
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:32,820
yep that's a hoax

806
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,240
the Cape Gerardo case I don't call it a

807
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,640
hoax but it there's not enough there

808
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:41,279
it's only one witness and

809
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,460
that doesn't do it for me you know so

810
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,980
yeah absolutely and I'm sure that you're

811
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:48,720
those are the other two

812
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:50,340
well I'm sure you're wading through that

813
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,140
kind of stuff all the time you know here

814
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,419
yeah stories that either you can't

815
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,100
confirm or stories that you think are a

816
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:58,320
hoax until you find you know yes right

817
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,039
every every time we get a a case and

818
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,500
right now I have to tell you that those

819
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,080
that's few and far between these days

820
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,599
because everybody's dead

821
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:12,240
uh every time we get a case it involves

822
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,899
either wreckage visible wreckage or

823
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:18,480
bodies that goes right to the top of our

824
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:19,560
list

825
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,020
and we that's we drop everything and

826
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,659
investigate that to see where it leads

827
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,820
because those are the two most important

828
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,000
things uh lacking in our

829
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:32,339
evidence is a

830
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:34,440
piece of physical evidence that we can

831
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:37,980
show to call it press conference

832
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,760
a live and not have to send it away to

833
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,040
some laboratory that you'll never you

834
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:46,859
know never hear from it again I am told

835
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,580
that by a associate of mine

836
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:53,399
who's an excellent investigator I won't

837
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,780
give his name because I don't know if he

838
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,339
wants me to use his name or not but he's

839
00:35:02,089 --> 00:34:59,520
been on on the case working with us for

840
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:02,099
the last somewhere between 10 and 15

841
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,540
years

842
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:05,760
uh he was told

843
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,000
by a doctor who was there

844
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:12,180
that there are tissue tissue samples at

845
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,500
Walter Reed hospital in Washington DC um

846
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,660
you know one of the Roswell aliens or

847
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,880
more but he said they're a reputable

848
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:22,440
source told him

849
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:25,079
that tissue samples from one of one or

850
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:26,820
more of the Roswell

851
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:30,119
uh bodies is still at

852
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,260
Walter Reed in Washington DC which makes

853
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,780
sense because that was a you know Walter

854
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,099
Reed hospital

855
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,040
and we have another witness on his

856
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:42,839
Deathbed

857
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:47,400
I'm going to be giving a talk in May

858
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:50,940
of deathbed confessions that were

859
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:54,240
related to Roswell and on his death

860
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,079
there

861
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,040
he was a former head of FTD for the the

862
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,440
uh

863
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,300
foreign technology division at

864
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:05,160
Wright-Patterson his name is George

865
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,619
weinbrenner colonel

866
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,400
on his deathbed he said we have five

867
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,140
alien bodies

868
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:15,780
in Utah

869
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:19,740
well that would be Area 52 dugway

870
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,060
don't worry

871
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,740
and it makes sense

872
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:24,960
because when things got too hard at Area

873
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:27,960
51 in Nevada they moved it all to Area

874
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,359
52 in Utah

875
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:32,400
and that would be the dugway Proving

876
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,079
Grounds very similar to area 51. so that

877
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:39,599
things like that is what we're told that

878
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,400
five of them and there were five of them

879
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:43,980
at Roswell

880
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,859
wound up at uh first that was right

881
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:48,720
Patterson but

882
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:52,140
ultimately they wound up at the Area 52

883
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:53,400
dugway

884
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:57,300
in Utah which is was a military Proving

885
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:00,060
Ground during World War II and a lot of

886
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:04,680
secret stuff going on there as we speak

887
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,020
wow that's fascinating

888
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,599
so a chapter of the book that I really

889
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,820
appreciated was the one about Hangar 18.

890
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,260
oh yeah because there's been a ton of

891
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,880
debate over the years about whether or

892
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,800
not it even exists can you briefly

893
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:18,960
explain for listeners uh first of all

894
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,540
why Hanger 18 is significant but also

895
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:23,640
what you found out about its actual

896
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,339
existence and location yes yes thank you

897
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,320
because that's an easy that's for me

898
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:30,839
that's a softball question

899
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:32,220
uh

900
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:39,599
and I put that in quotation marks

901
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,880
was the uh

902
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:44,520
in at Roy Patterson there's something

903
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:48,300
called the building 18 complex

904
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,480
it's a uh uh a uh conglomerate of seven

905
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:56,160
or eight buildings starting with

906
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:00,359
building 18 then building 18a through 18

907
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,099
G or ghr some one of those things but in

908
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,079
that complex

909
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,260
there's only one hair

910
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,400
and it's it's hanger 23. okay it's

911
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:17,760
hanger 23 and why they don't call it

912
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:19,980
Hangar 18i it's just it's just just

913
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,280
admit it folks just admit it but they

914
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:25,140
they give and they have given it the

915
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,619
name Hangar 23. well that's the hangar I

916
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,140
was talking about in World War II they

917
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,060
were doing the back engineering

918
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:36,540
okay they're already in that business

919
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,099
and so

920
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:41,339
Along Comes the the Roswell case and

921
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,660
that's where the that's where the

922
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,880
physical evidence went that's where it

923
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,000
went Hangar 23. so how does it become

924
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,460
Hangar 18 well

925
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:52,980
down in Florida you know a lot of

926
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,480
military people retire to Florida

927
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,079
especially from the East Coast

928
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:02,640
on the west coast they go to Sedona

929
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:06,060
Arizona or San Antonio Texas

930
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,280
but on the East Coast they they would go

931
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,800
to Florida oftentimes and there was a

932
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:12,720
fellow down there named

933
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:15,540
uh Professor Robert Spencer Carr he was

934
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,940
no Professor he uh he gave himself for

935
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,400
that Appalachian professor

936
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,800
but he started talking about this is

937
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:25,619
like in 1974 and I remember this because

938
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,780
it made national news

939
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,820
he started talking about this herringer

940
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,440
18.

941
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,380
at Wright-Patterson where all of the

942
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,260
the bodies the alien bodies were stored

943
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,359
now where did he get those

944
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,339
those stories he got them from the

945
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:43,740
retirees that had worked at

946
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,980
Wright-Patterson retired to Florida they

947
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:49,140
know he they they knew he was already in

948
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:52,380
a flying saucer business by giving talks

949
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,420
so they would come up to him afterwards

950
00:40:00,609 --> 00:39:57,599
and say he well you know Professor I

951
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,619
worked the Harrier or Hangar 18 and uh

952
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:02,460
Wright-Patterson and that's where they

953
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,140
had all the wreckage and the bodies and

954
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:06,119
all that sort of so that's where the

955
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:09,720
story of Hangar 18 got started

956
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:13,440
okay by Professor Robert Professor

957
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,720
Robert Spencer Carr

958
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,359
so how does hangar 23

959
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,599
become Hangar 18 well

960
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,480
out of uh you know people were always

961
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,960
using short uh you know when they're

962
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:30,660
short something up or something is more

963
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,099
convenient

964
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:33,839
well you have all these buildings

965
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:38,220
building 18s in this complex

966
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,339
well where to them it was Hangar 18 it

967
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:43,020
was the only hangar in the building 18

968
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,619
complex and uh so they would call it

969
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:49,920
Hangar 18 out of convenience

970
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:52,859
but it's really Hangar 23 because that's

971
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:55,500
where all the back engineering took

972
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:56,760
place

973
00:41:03,589 --> 00:40:59,820
so that that's the story of how Hangar

974
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:03,599
18 got its name it's really hangar 23.

975
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:07,560
and uh but we that took a lot of work

976
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:10,200
but piecing the story together for

977
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:13,079
Professor Robert Spencer Carr in Florida

978
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:16,040
getting all these little stories from

979
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,599
retirees that had worked there

980
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,700
so he started talking about it and it

981
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,440
was picked up by the

982
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:25,619
main mainstream news and the reason I

983
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,440
remember that is I was on my way to uh

984
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:33,420
Toronto to continue my anthropology

985
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,940
studies and I heard this story on the

986
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,920
radio and I said oh my goodness I want

987
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,020
to stay here and listen listen to this

988
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:42,480
but I had to catch a flight to Toronto

989
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,200
to start my doctorate studies but by the

990
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:48,720
time I got to the Toronto the story was

991
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:49,740
dead

992
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,079
and uh it wasn't until that was 1974. so

993
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:57,720
it wasn't until 78

994
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:00,660
when Jesse Marcel the base intelligence

995
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,180
officer went public with the it was Stan

996
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:05,460
Friedman and William Moore and they

997
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,060
wrote the 1980 book the Roswell incident

998
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:11,460
which when I read it it just blew me

999
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,599
away for uh as far as UFOs are concerns

1000
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:18,300
that oh there's nothing like this story

1001
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:22,980
and uh I became active in 1991 with

1002
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,040
their Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall I

1003
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,500
joined their team in 91.

1004
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,500
and uh don Schmidt and I had been a team

1005
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:34,260
together since 1998.

1006
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:38,760
so that's a long time for one one case

1007
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:42,540
right but it I just found that it was so

1008
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,800
compelling

1009
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:46,140
and every time we found a new witness it

1010
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,700
just was like a recharge of your

1011
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,800
batteries boom we got it let's go for

1012
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:51,900
more and uh

1013
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:55,380
so here we are 12 books later

1014
00:43:02,569 --> 00:42:58,440
and there's the way we look at it

1015
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,579
there's nothing more to really do for us

1016
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,500
other than to

1017
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,079
you know try to uh

1018
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:09,119
or if something comes across our desk

1019
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,460
you know we'll look at it but we're not

1020
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:13,619
out there you know as they say pounding

1021
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,900
the pavement to find new Witnesses

1022
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,460
because they're all they're all born

1023
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,180
they're all gone so we're hoping for a

1024
00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,640
piece of physical evidence we'll turn up

1025
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:25,319
we know they're out there

1026
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:27,960
where we hope that it turns up somewhere

1027
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,079
or less likely the Air Force or the

1028
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:33,780
military in their next report will come

1029
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:37,079
clean and we're not we're not expecting

1030
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:38,760
that but uh

1031
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:41,160
that's where we are we where we're at

1032
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,900
right now Kelly

1033
00:43:47,329 --> 00:43:45,359
well speaking of physical

1034
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:47,339
for me one of the revelations in your

1035
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,260
book that I

1036
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:52,260
chair had to do with that uh memory

1037
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,640
medal that you were talking about

1038
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,099
earlier that you and your co-author

1039
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,980
um dubbed the Holy Grail of Roswell so

1040
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:00,240
this is something that has an absolutely

1041
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,980
legendary status within the UFO

1042
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,319
Community but what was really shocking

1043
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,880
for me was that it seems like you guys

1044
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,220
were able to track down you know short

1045
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,440
of actually holding it in your hand a

1046
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,300
smoking as close as you can get to a

1047
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:14,760
Smoking Gun that this metal actually

1048
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,500
exists so could you talk about that a

1049
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:18,420
little bit yes there are there are right

1050
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:21,900
now there are two smoking guns

1051
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,880
for the Roswell incident one is the

1052
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,740
Telex that General Ramey is holding in

1053
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,240
his hand

1054
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,319
uh these the the the day that the the

1055
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:36,839
case was announced in the newspaper in

1056
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:40,319
1947 he's holding a memo that he just

1057
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:41,640
received

1058
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,300
uh from uh Washington

1059
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:48,119
and somebody a press person took a

1060
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:50,339
picture of him kneeling by this weather

1061
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,920
balloon which he was putting out the

1062
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:55,560
weather balloon story and in this memo

1063
00:45:01,970 --> 00:45:00,000
with today's photographic uh programs we

1064
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:01,980
could actually read parts of the memo

1065
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:04,740
and it's talking about victims of the

1066
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:07,319
wreck well there's no there's no weather

1067
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,780
balloon where you have a victim even if

1068
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,760
it lands on your head you know you're

1069
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,079
not a victim

1070
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:15,780
victims of the wreck and it mentions the

1071
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,440
disc disk in parentheses and so that's

1072
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,540
one Smoking Gun because it's talking

1073
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:24,540
about not a crash of a weather balloon

1074
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:29,579
but uh the uh UFO that this the flying

1075
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:30,900
source of

1076
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:33,660
the second Smoking Gun

1077
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,780
of what we call the memory bill that's

1078
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,000
what they were most interested in in the

1079
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,280
record you had a you know you had a very

1080
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,680
stiff wreckage which you know couldn't

1081
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,720
couldn't bend at all but this memory

1082
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,119
Mill there was a lot of it

1083
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:50,160
in the crash scene

1084
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:52,619
and you can pick it up at a very large

1085
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:54,180
you would want it up in your hand it

1086
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:55,619
felt like you had nothing in your hand

1087
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,640
open your hand or just float around

1088
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:02,460
there and you couldn't cut it scratch it

1089
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:04,200
do anything to it

1090
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,339
and so our associate uh who I mentioned

1091
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,920
previously

1092
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:12,960
uh he took it upon himself he wanted to

1093
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:15,240
know whatever became of the

1094
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,839
wreckage whatever became of the records

1095
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:21,599
so he of course started with Wright

1096
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:23,339
Patterson because we know that's where

1097
00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:24,900
it went

1098
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:28,700
and so he uh

1099
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,240
somehow I think he he sent Freedom of

1100
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,800
Information

1101
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:37,319
act requests to the defense department

1102
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,160
and to write right Patterson got nowhere

1103
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,200
got nowhere

1104
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:45,300
but somehow

1105
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,440
he latched on to this uh oh he also

1106
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:51,839
Patel Memorial Institute in Columbus

1107
00:46:59,470 --> 00:46:55,800
Ohio that's where Wright Patterson when

1108
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,480
they had a project that involved

1109
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:01,560
material and something they would send

1110
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,640
it to Patel to invest to uh analyze

1111
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:08,280
so he found out that the wreckage

1112
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:11,819
went to Patel Memorial Institute uh and

1113
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:14,940
date in Columbus Ohio

1114
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,060
and he kept digging around and oh well

1115
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,920
no nothing here at all we didn't have

1116
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,260
anything going on we actually found out

1117
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:24,960
from the Department of Defense

1118
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,339
that they did have something at Patel oh

1119
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:31,740
oh he always have it I'm sorry we found

1120
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:33,540
yes you're right you're right we found

1121
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,380
it

1122
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:37,859
but firstly told him to get lost but he

1123
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,000
got

1124
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:40,319
these

1125
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:44,040
at least four progress reports

1126
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,240
on the project to back engineer this

1127
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:49,920
memory medal

1128
00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:53,160
and patero they wanted nothing to do

1129
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,520
with UFOs they said you know if we ever

1130
00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:59,040
ever make a report on this don't use our

1131
00:48:01,609 --> 00:48:00,839
name we don't wanna we don't want our

1132
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:01,619
name

1133
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,160
associated with anything to do with UFOs

1134
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,400
so they laundered the discovery of it

1135
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:11,520
was made out of mostly titanium just

1136
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:14,760
Memory Metal and some other known

1137
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,180
element that they could that uh

1138
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,079
that was that the we got the information

1139
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,780
also from the base commander he said it

1140
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,940
was uh titanium and some other element

1141
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,280
he couldn't remember so what that what

1142
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:32,339
Patel did is they laundered it

1143
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:36,359
through the naval Ordnance lab in uh

1144
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:38,220
Maryland

1145
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:42,319
so in 1962 the naval ordinance

1146
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:45,000
laboratory in Maryland May announce the

1147
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,300
discovery or the creation of this new

1148
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,359
amalgam called nitinol it's spelled

1149
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:53,099
n-i-t-i

1150
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:57,540
oh well knit ni stands for nickel TI

1151
00:49:03,170 --> 00:48:59,460
stands for titanium

1152
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,180
and nol stands for in our Naval Ordnance

1153
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,060
lab ratel did the work but they

1154
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,700
laundered the the results through the

1155
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,280
naval ordinance lab so they wouldn't be

1156
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,980
associated with UFOs so you can look up

1157
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:15,780
nitinol

1158
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:18,960
in your browser you can buy it by the

1159
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:21,839
coil you can buy it by the roll you can

1160
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:24,119
buy it by the sheet

1161
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:26,760
what its Origins

1162
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,619
came from the Roswell crash of 1947 the

1163
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,000
memory medal

1164
00:49:39,069 --> 00:49:35,880
it tries to uh

1165
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:39,079
uh mimic the memory mirror which it does

1166
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:42,300
with one except with one except that you

1167
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,480
can cut it but the original you can the

1168
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,460
original you can't the format in any way

1169
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:49,200
but this knits and all does everything

1170
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,200
you can they use it in their your

1171
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,839
eyeglass frames anything that requires

1172
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,000
shape recovery

1173
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:00,540
methanol

1174
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,760
and it comes from

1175
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,260
uh

1176
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:07,140
Patel that did the work on it it's a

1177
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:09,960
combination of titanium and nickel they

1178
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:13,440
did all so our associate has four

1179
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:17,880
progress reports of this project

1180
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,760
and it's a it was an amazing piece of

1181
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:22,319
research

1182
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:25,740
and it there's no doubt there's no doubt

1183
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:28,200
because they were trying to re-uh

1184
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,359
re-engineer the memory metal we also

1185
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:32,220
have a

1186
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:35,460
fellow it was from Lawrence Livermore

1187
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:37,020
labs this is another government

1188
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,240
laboratory in California Livermore

1189
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:42,359
California they set some material out

1190
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,319
there

1191
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:45,720
they don't they didn't tell them where

1192
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,540
it came from but hey take a look at this

1193
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,700
see what it's made out of and tell us

1194
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,520
and uh he contacted me he says yeah I

1195
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,640
have a I I kept the piece of it and he

1196
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:00,000
sent me a piece of it or that I haven't

1197
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,040
a picture of it my computer he says but

1198
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,859
on the on the uh promise that I never

1199
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:06,599
give his name

1200
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:10,140
or send a picture to anybody so that's

1201
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:14,160
sort of a tease but uh I have a picture

1202
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:17,160
of it in my computer and it's uh it is

1203
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:19,079
silvery looking

1204
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:23,220
but that's the the best well it's a

1205
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:25,559
smoking dawn it's a Smoking Gun because

1206
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:27,540
you can trace

1207
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:33,900
to internal from the crash site

1208
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:36,900
to to Roswell Army Airfield to

1209
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:39,900
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to Patel

1210
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:42,660
Memorial Institute in Columbus Ohio to

1211
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:45,480
the naval Ordnance lab who announced the

1212
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:48,900
quote-unquote uh discovery

1213
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,180
oh that is just astonishing I mean

1214
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,800
there's so much in this book that really

1215
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,020
pulled me over but of all of it to me

1216
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:57,720
that was but that that was that's a

1217
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:59,579
Smoking Gun too

1218
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,559
no not at all I think that's the most

1219
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,599
interesting thing in the whole book like

1220
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:05,700
it's and it's a fantastic book but I I

1221
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:08,040
was really Blown Away by that what yeah

1222
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:10,859
what nitinol in your browser and you'll

1223
00:52:16,809 --> 00:52:14,400
see what comes up that's our best effort

1224
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:16,819
of trying to re-year

1225
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,880
re-engineer the Roswell memory medal

1226
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,760
it's used in the space program whenever

1227
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:26,160
they need their shape recovery something

1228
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,460
recovery uh they use nitinol

1229
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:31,380
so

1230
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,720
other most tantalizing aspects of the

1231
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:38,160
lore surrounding Wright-Patterson Air

1232
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:40,140
Force Base is you know as we've

1233
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,400
mentioned that there are potentially the

1234
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:43,020
bodies of the beings who are flying the

1235
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,520
craft that were taken to the base for

1236
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:46,859
storage and examination and it's really

1237
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,079
striking how similar the descriptions

1238
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:50,880
are that people give of the beings that

1239
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:53,579
they claim to have seen so can you talk

1240
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:55,380
a little bit about what these beings

1241
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,940
looked like because it seems like

1242
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,200
everyone was sort of giving you almost

1243
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,020
the same description yes this is one of

1244
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:03,240
the interesting thing is anybody that

1245
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,339
ever gave us a uh

1246
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:07,619
what did they look like

1247
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,680
they give us very similar description

1248
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:14,240
three and a half to four feet tall

1249
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:17,700
body maybe 35 pounds

1250
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:21,720
long arms that go down to the the knees

1251
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,140
with the oversized head is is the

1252
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,319
Salient feature is the oversized head

1253
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:31,980
and the frail diminutive body

1254
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,579
gray in color usually but sometimes you

1255
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,160
have different colors described it could

1256
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,680
have been

1257
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,720
dependent upon the State of Decay

1258
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:45,720
of a body when it decays maybe you know

1259
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,140
or the lighting conditions it it was

1260
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,839
seen under whereas Gray

1261
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,240
also the head

1262
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,319
they're uh the nose is just too too

1263
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,599
holes in the front of the face not a no

1264
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:02,700
you don't have a nose no nose but just

1265
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,540
two holes the mouth is a slit

1266
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,880
that doesn't go anywhere you know our

1267
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,220
mouth leads to our digestive tract all

1268
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,200
of this mouth just had a little little

1269
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:15,240
cavity in there and it didn't go

1270
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:16,630
anywhere

1271
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:18,119
[Music]

1272
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:21,540
and the ears again no ears but just two

1273
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:23,700
little holes in the side of the head and

1274
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:26,520
hairless totally hairless so that's

1275
00:54:33,849 --> 00:54:29,819
that's the we have descriptions in the

1276
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:33,859
book you read and we have

1277
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:38,819
uh drawings from the actual Witnesses

1278
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,500
who had seen them

1279
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,440
and they all they all resemble

1280
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:45,359
the same creature

1281
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:51,540
I guess today you would call him Grays

1282
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,400
they would just be similar to Gray's

1283
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,859
smallest stature frail but with the

1284
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,200
oversized

1285
00:55:03,410 --> 00:54:59,359
pear-shaped head

1286
00:55:05,290 --> 00:55:03,420
so

1287
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:05,300
um

1288
00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:08,099
the witnesses witnesses have been

1289
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,960
consistent on that

1290
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:12,180
and there was one yeah it was very

1291
00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:13,500
consistent

1292
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,900
yeah that was that was one of kind of

1293
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:17,760
the the saddest parts of the book maybe

1294
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,339
that's me being a little too naive but

1295
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:22,800
but it was really sad to know that there

1296
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,119
was if you could talk a little bit about

1297
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:25,680
the one that survived and what happened

1298
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:28,740
to it yes sir everyone that was out

1299
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:32,280
cleaning up the crash sites

1300
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:36,240
who saw the parties always said there

1301
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:38,940
were three or four but one was still

1302
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:40,200
alive

1303
00:55:48,829 --> 00:55:44,460
and the uh we have two stories from

1304
00:55:51,049 --> 00:55:48,839
witnesses that interacted with it and

1305
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:51,059
the first one was from the we got from

1306
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:54,540
the daughter of a fireman by the name of

1307
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,319
Dan uh follow me uh

1308
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:01,680
Dan Dwyer he was a fireman with the see

1309
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,140
I had to try to recall him

1310
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:07,020
one of the barrels of names Dan Dwyer

1311
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,200
was a fireman with the Roswell city Fire

1312
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:11,520
Department

1313
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,260
and the

1314
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:16,020
city manager when when the crash was

1315
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,359
discovered

1316
00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:20,160
when they learned of the crash

1317
00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:22,619
went to the fire department in town so

1318
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,540
don't go out with the military will take

1319
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,640
care of it the military will take care

1320
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:28,980
of it so don't go out to the crash site

1321
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,940
so Dan Dwyer said hell with that so he

1322
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,559
got into his own car and went out

1323
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,599
himself because he wanted to you know

1324
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,579
see what was going on there so

1325
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:40,920
uh he went out there and he said oh my

1326
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:43,800
goodness he his eyes were focused on

1327
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,020
there were two dead that were sort of

1328
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:48,359
hanging out of The Craft

1329
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,220
he sort of seeing his his eyes were

1330
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,680
focused on the the two dead ones and all

1331
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:55,440
of a sudden he saw a movement out of a

1332
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,619
corner of his eyes he looked over and

1333
00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:00,000
here one of them

1334
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:02,520
like I just described to you was walking

1335
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:03,900
around

1336
00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:08,220
so we get the story from his daughter

1337
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:11,099
because he was dead by the when we uh he

1338
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:12,780
was already dead

1339
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,540
so he gets home that night

1340
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:18,540
and uh you know he was waiting what did

1341
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,500
you do today dear and he says well we

1342
00:57:29,049 --> 00:57:25,200
had a crash of a flying saucer as they

1343
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,089
you know were there were there any

1344
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:34,859
beings in it were you oh yes there were

1345
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,880
three

1346
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:38,700
two dead and one alive what did it look

1347
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,240
like well he he didn't give you didn't

1348
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:44,280
give them the description I just gave

1349
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,480
you

1350
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:47,400
according to Frankie Rowe his daughter

1351
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:49,619
Frankie Dwyer Rowe

1352
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,099
all he said was child of the Earth

1353
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,559
child of the earth I'm thinking what is

1354
00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:58,400
that well the child of the earth is a

1355
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:01,980
land there it's like a land scorpion but

1356
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,420
it's like a large uh

1357
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:08,640
insect that the reason they called the

1358
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:10,200
child or the Earth because it has this

1359
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:14,220
oval-shaped head pinkish phrase with

1360
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:15,960
with the description like I just gave

1361
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,500
you for the alien and and the call of

1362
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:22,400
the charm because when a newborn child

1363
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:24,359
is born

1364
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,180
the phone the phones you know this is

1365
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:30,240
what happens when you get old the bones

1366
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:31,559
in the head

1367
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,500
haven't fused yet and where they haven't

1368
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,720
fused is a dark line

1369
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,119
so the top of the head of this child of

1370
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:41,520
the Earth has these dark markings on the

1371
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,859
top of its head and that's why they call

1372
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:45,960
it a child of the earth well that's what

1373
00:58:49,789 --> 00:58:46,859
this

1374
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:49,799
being had on the top of its head it had

1375
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:51,900
these markings and that's why he called

1376
00:58:56,109 --> 00:58:54,299
it the child of the earth well

1377
00:59:00,109 --> 00:58:56,119
did you talk to her

1378
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,119
yes yes we we talk to one another or

1379
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:02,819
what did you talk about well we didn't

1380
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,240
talk like we're talking now with uh like

1381
00:59:12,289 --> 00:59:08,700
we talk you using our mouth and lips and

1382
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,299
tone we talked in our heads he said we

1383
00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:14,160
talked in our heads

1384
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:16,500
like you know mental telegraphy I guess

1385
00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:18,420
is what we would call it well we talked

1386
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,579
in our heads well what did you talk

1387
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:23,760
about so giving him the third degree

1388
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:28,200
well I I was worried about it you know

1389
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,880
with this creature walking around but

1390
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:32,040
before I could say anything the creature

1391
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,960
told me in my head

1392
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:36,720
don't worry about me

1393
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,319
my ship is destroyed my comrades are

1394
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,059
dead or whatever term you use for

1395
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,819
comrades but and there's nothing anybody

1396
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,280
can do I accept my fate

1397
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,440
uh there's nothing anybody could do I

1398
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,079
accept my friend I'm sort of stuck here

1399
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:54,240
and at that point the military came up

1400
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,020
and it took over the site and uh you

1401
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,540
know grab the uh Dan Dwyer and told them

1402
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,640
don't ever talk about this or I'll kill

1403
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:04,380
you and we'll kill your family but

1404
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,420
that's what the conversation was the

1405
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:09,180
creature was more concerned about Dan

1406
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:12,839
Dwyer or equally concerned as Dan Dwyer

1407
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:14,700
was concerned about it

1408
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:18,119
so that's the first story we have

1409
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:21,480
the second one involves a uh an officer

1410
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:24,420
a marine pilot during World War II but

1411
01:00:32,329 --> 01:00:28,799
uh uh he was in the air War College in

1412
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:32,339
Montgomery Alabama in 1947-48

1413
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:34,740
one of 90 officers you know they're

1414
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:37,260
they're considered this is these

1415
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,240
officers are going to take us into the

1416
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:41,819
20th century in the blah blah 21st

1417
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,220
century so he's a high-ranking uh

1418
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:46,380
lieutenant colonel

1419
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:49,740
they're flown to Wright Patterson

1420
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:54,180
Air Force Base in the spring of 1948

1421
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,720
spring of 1948. this is like six months

1422
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:00,180
after the crack

1423
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:02,940
so they're uh because they're going to

1424
01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:05,940
learn how to to be administrators of

1425
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:08,099
basis and stuff like that

1426
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:10,619
so this one day

1427
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,819
were taken into this Hangar hangar 23.

1428
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:17,400
and so there there's you know there's

1429
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,619
about 60 of them

1430
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:20,960
what are

1431
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,540
we doing in here you know so so they

1432
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:26,520
roll out all of this records this

1433
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:28,680
strange wreckage

1434
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:31,920
from the Roswell crash okay fellas uh

1435
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,540
take a look at this stuff tell us what

1436
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:34,740
you think

1437
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,440
because the Air Force at this point

1438
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:39,540
they don't know how you know should we

1439
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,400
tell them should we tell the people or

1440
01:01:45,289 --> 01:01:43,440
should we keep it secret what you know

1441
01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:45,299
we're we're still in the state of flux

1442
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,839
as to what to do with this event

1443
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:51,660
so they look there's you know they're

1444
01:01:56,569 --> 01:01:53,819
looking at this they and not everybody

1445
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:56,579
had heard of the Roswell crash Roswell

1446
01:02:02,690 --> 01:01:59,940
is a two-day story back in 1947 two days

1447
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,700
not everybody heard about it

1448
01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:04,799
so they're saying what is this stuff you

1449
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:06,299
know they got the memory and so they

1450
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,339
said where did you get this and they

1451
01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:10,079
said we got it from the crash of a

1452
01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:12,119
flying saucer last year in New Mexico

1453
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:15,059
that's what they told them oh that's

1454
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,640
great what's a flying saucer you know

1455
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:19,680
so you know so

1456
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:21,480
they're still they're scratching their

1457
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:23,579
head so they they're said follow follow

1458
01:02:31,549 --> 01:02:26,540
me and they went into another room

1459
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,559
windowless except they have a big mirror

1460
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:32,880
big

1461
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,380
a mirror but on the side that the

1462
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:39,359
officers were at you could see through

1463
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,119
into the next room so they go in there

1464
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,400
and they they're looking through this uh

1465
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,040
window pane and lo and behold there's

1466
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:48,839
the live one

1467
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:51,599
now I don't know if it was sitting

1468
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,220
standing

1469
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:56,280
doing push-ups or doing the Macarena I

1470
01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:57,780
don't know what it was doing he didn't

1471
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:58,980
say

1472
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,380
what uh our officer

1473
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,260
we got the story from his son

1474
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,420
the officers look he's looking through

1475
01:03:11,289 --> 01:03:07,680
there

1476
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:11,299
know

1477
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:15,960
did did you talk to her he said no when

1478
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,140
I had a mental connection with it I felt

1479
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,319
great sympathy for it I felt great

1480
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,240
sympathy for it

1481
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,220
and uh

1482
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:29,280
uh but no we did not Converse other than

1483
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:30,540
that he said

1484
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:33,720
I felt its human qualities rather than

1485
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:36,599
its alien quality so this was a thing

1486
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,000
going back between the two of them

1487
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:42,720
and uh the uh this officer

1488
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:46,319
uh he didn't make uh he fell out he fell

1489
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,020
out of favor with his uh next higher up

1490
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:50,880
officer and you know when that happens

1491
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,640
your your future in there whatever

1492
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:56,160
branch of the service you're in is sort

1493
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:59,160
of stuck so he got out of the Marine

1494
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,119
Corps

1495
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,640
and he founded there a McDonald's

1496
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:06,000
restaurant in the Colorado and my

1497
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:07,559
understanding was he had all of the

1498
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:09,059
college he had all of the McDonald's

1499
01:04:14,569 --> 01:04:12,780
West of the Mississippi so so he he

1500
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,579
wasn't hurting for money or any

1501
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:16,079
notoriety

1502
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:19,140
but that's the story we got from his son

1503
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:21,720
and uh he was a

1504
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,079
uh decorated uh fighter pilot Knight

1505
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,599
fighter pilot in the Pacific Theater of

1506
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,700
operations of World War II

1507
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:32,220
he looked like Tyrone Power I thought he

1508
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,900
could have been like a movie star or

1509
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:35,280
something he looked just like Tyrone

1510
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:38,180
Power but he founded a McDonald's

1511
01:04:44,109 --> 01:04:41,099
franchise and then one after the other

1512
01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:44,119
and he died in

1513
01:04:51,289 --> 01:04:48,059
1997 which was the 50th anniversary of

1514
01:04:54,289 --> 01:04:51,299
the Roswell incident so that's what

1515
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:54,299
that's what we know about the the alien

1516
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,559
bodies

1517
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,540
or creatures that they called them

1518
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:00,059
creatures or little people or stuff like

1519
01:05:03,609 --> 01:05:02,220
that but they didn't call them aliens

1520
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:03,619
and uh

1521
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:07,440
uh art that's our best guess is the five

1522
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:09,540
of them now oh and this uh the other

1523
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:10,980
thing was

1524
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:13,260
the sun asked us flowers and what the

1525
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:15,780
what happened to it and he said they

1526
01:05:19,609 --> 01:05:17,160
killed it

1527
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:19,619
well did they what do you mean did they

1528
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,180
stand it up against the wall like the

1529
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:23,819
Saint Saint Valentine's Day Massacre and

1530
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:26,819
kill it no no no they were doing some

1531
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:29,579
experiment on it and it died in whatever

1532
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:33,240
experiment they were working on so the

1533
01:05:37,849 --> 01:05:34,980
suggestion is

1534
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:37,859
if you could converse with this live one

1535
01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:41,040
at least mentally they must have learned

1536
01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:44,099
a lot of things you would think but

1537
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:47,000
that's just a that's just the surmise

1538
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:49,079
and uh

1539
01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:51,059
of course they they've never come clean

1540
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:52,920
on the Roswell case so we don't know

1541
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:55,260
about this that's why

1542
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:58,559
you know after this May 22nd uh thing

1543
01:06:03,950 --> 01:05:59,940
last year

1544
01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:03,960
there was a lot of uh negative uh

1545
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,880
feeling about the what took place which

1546
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,400
was like a dog and pony show

1547
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:10,799
what they're they're supposed to go back

1548
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:14,700
to 19 at least 1947 or 45 when their

1549
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:16,500
next report

1550
01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:19,140
so people like me

1551
01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:21,480
who worked on the case and others who

1552
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:23,339
are interested in the case want to know

1553
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,039
if they're going to address the Roswell

1554
01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:27,839
case and we're not talking about a

1555
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:30,299
weather balloon we're not talking about

1556
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:34,200
a high altitude uh project Mogul which

1557
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:36,359
falls apart like a cheap suit when you

1558
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:37,440
look at it

1559
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:41,339
where we want to see what they

1560
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:44,520
say about Roswell if anything if they

1561
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:46,140
don't say anything

1562
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:48,420
we know why there's just too much

1563
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,460
there's too much there there

1564
01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:52,799
with a Roswell case it's the best case

1565
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:56,819
ever yep absolutely

1566
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:58,440
um well I feel like we could go dive

1567
01:07:01,970 --> 01:06:59,880
into this book forever I know we're

1568
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:01,980
running short on time but there was one

1569
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,720
more question that I really wanted to

1570
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:05,039
ask you

1571
01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:06,180
um because I think one of the most

1572
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:09,240
striking things about the UFO phenomenon

1573
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:10,559
and about you know the stories of

1574
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:12,180
Roswell and at Wright-Patterson Air

1575
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:14,280
Force base in particular

1576
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:15,720
um there's sort of this repeating theme

1577
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,660
where all of this information is

1578
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,359
classified and in some places even above

1579
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:23,940
the Oval Office so we have you know

1580
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:26,099
secrets we have the the indication that

1581
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,480
there are secrets that our government is

1582
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:29,520
keeping that even the president doesn't

1583
01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:31,619
have access to which I think is really

1584
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:33,960
unsettling for those of us who have been

1585
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,780
told that we live in a democracy and so

1586
01:07:41,150 --> 01:07:38,880
what do you what do you make of the fact

1587
01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:41,160
that we have this secret that we have

1588
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:43,319
been keeping for so long seemingly away

1589
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:48,240
from any kind of of meaningful oversight

1590
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,160
two answers to that number one uh

1591
01:07:57,370 --> 01:07:55,680
if you're in the government if you're in

1592
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,380
the military

1593
01:08:01,789 --> 01:08:00,000
mostly you want to get to the next grade

1594
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:01,799
you're not going to get to the next

1595
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:04,859
grade if you're in full bird colonel and

1596
01:08:10,809 --> 01:08:08,280
you want to make a general

1597
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,819
you're not going to go to your

1598
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:14,160
commanding officers who is at least

1599
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:17,339
a one-star general or two star or what

1600
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:18,299
have you

1601
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,699
Hey general what about that Roswell case

1602
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:23,520
that's not going to get you your next

1603
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:26,160
promotion

1604
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,160
so you already know

1605
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:32,400
what the official Air Force or military

1606
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,960
position is on Roswell and it's that it

1607
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,839
was a high altitude project Mogul

1608
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:41,339
balloon array

1609
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:45,060
back in 1947 that was designed a part of

1610
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:48,299
a project to listen in on what they

1611
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:51,980
expected to be the initial Soviet

1612
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:55,500
atomic bomb test that's what it was

1613
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:00,299
designed to uh zero in on listen for the

1614
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,460
because up in the upper upper atmosphere

1615
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:05,279
there's a layer of the atmosphere where

1616
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,100
carries sound the idea was to lift the

1617
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,560
balloon up there with a microphone to

1618
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:13,440
listen in for the sound of a Soviet

1619
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,279
detonation of its first atomic device

1620
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,679
that's the first official Air Force

1621
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:22,020
position that's what the Roswell crash

1622
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:22,920
was

1623
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,239
Wilder

1624
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:30,060
the parties were

1625
01:09:37,010 --> 01:09:32,699
Dime Store mannequins

1626
01:09:40,729 --> 01:09:37,020
that they used in 10 years later in high

1627
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,739
altitude parachute drops in case a high

1628
01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:42,960
altitude aircraft that they were

1629
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:44,940
building like the U2

1630
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:48,600
in case you had to abandon ship

1631
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:51,380
what the effect would be from high

1632
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,179
parachuting from high altitude

1633
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:56,699
and that's what they say

1634
01:10:02,150 --> 01:09:59,640
what the bodies people reporting the

1635
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:02,160
little bodies were the problem was these

1636
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:04,620
mannequins were six foot

1637
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:07,860
they looked human they were addressed in

1638
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,380
Flight suits and when they hit the

1639
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,440
ground they all came all apart

1640
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:16,500
that's not what the witnesses described

1641
01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:19,020
but that's the military the Air Force

1642
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,780
position today so you already know that

1643
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,040
and um

1644
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:25,440
if you want to get your next promotion

1645
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,420
you're you're not going to be talking

1646
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:30,239
about this so that's one reason

1647
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:32,699
the other reason

1648
01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:37,440
is uh they all of the stuff now is in

1649
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:40,440
private hands all of their wreckage is

1650
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:42,179
in private hands so they don't have to

1651
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:44,460
respond to Freedom of Information Act

1652
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,900
requests

1653
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:47,360
and I believe

1654
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:51,000
presidents and political people in

1655
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:53,699
general they don't want to have their

1656
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,340
name near the term UFO

1657
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:58,260
they don't want to have their name look

1658
01:11:04,250 --> 01:10:59,159
at the

1659
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:04,260
remember his name a couple years ago ran

1660
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,520
for president

1661
01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:07,920
but he had already made statements about

1662
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,980
UFOs that he thought there was a as soon

1663
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:12,780
as the Press started asking him about

1664
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:14,219
UFOs

1665
01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:16,500
he went like this in the polls you know

1666
01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:20,340
they politics yeah then it's casinos yes

1667
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:22,940
that's right thank you

1668
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:25,800
that was his death note when he started

1669
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:28,140
talking about yes I saw a UFO Jimmy

1670
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:32,159
Carter actually recorded seeing a UFO

1671
01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:32,760
um

1672
01:11:39,010 --> 01:11:35,580
they reported it uh to uh I don't know

1673
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:39,020
if it was new fund or nightcap or uh

1674
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,100
one of the groups

1675
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,920
and uh it did I don't think it heard him

1676
01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:45,840
because he was only a one well he was a

1677
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:48,060
one-term president so I don't know but

1678
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:50,280
political people

1679
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:53,100
they don't want to know they don't want

1680
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:55,140
to know now they ask

1681
01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,500
I think that George H.W bush Herbert

1682
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:02,100
Walker Bush uh knew because he was a

1683
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,920
head of the CIA at one point he was a

1684
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,080
ambassador to the U.N and the president

1685
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,780
there's no doubt in my mind he knew and

1686
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,719
his son George W there's no doubt in my

1687
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,840
mind that he knows too Clinton I believe

1688
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:18,719
knows but he says well I I wanted to

1689
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:21,060
know and I I just they didn't wouldn't

1690
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:24,659
tell me anything and you know he he sort

1691
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:27,780
of waffled all over the place I believe

1692
01:12:32,990 --> 01:12:31,320
I believe Obama when they asked Obama he

1693
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,000
just left I think he knows something

1694
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,239
because he he would say oh well you know

1695
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:37,920
I wouldn't be surprised or something

1696
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:41,699
like that you know trying to deflect and

1697
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:43,800
uh uh

1698
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:46,920
what uh Trump there's no doubt my money

1699
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:50,100
when his son asked him one day and it

1700
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,980
was videotaped dad well

1701
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:54,960
what do you think about Roswell well

1702
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,760
I've heard some very interesting things

1703
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:59,040
about raw as well well so do you believe

1704
01:13:04,189 --> 01:13:01,800
in UFOs not particularly what is he

1705
01:13:06,649 --> 01:13:04,199
talking about on one hand he says he's

1706
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:06,659
heard some very interesting things about

1707
01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:09,719
her Roswell many his son says Lord so

1708
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,780
how about UFO no I don't I don't believe

1709
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:13,679
in

1710
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:18,719
this guy is uh he knows he knows and uh

1711
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:22,140
yeah so it's uh the other thing that

1712
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:24,300
Kelly is uh you've heard of

1713
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,000
compartmentalization

1714
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:30,000
one they will give you a project but

1715
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:32,820
they they want you to be focused solely

1716
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,640
on one aspect of it they don't want you

1717
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:37,980
to know what it's connected to where and

1718
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:40,440
that's the military way

1719
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:43,080
is compartmentalization

1720
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:45,420
and a lot of times

1721
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,820
they don't they don't know because it's

1722
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,400
been compartmentalized and to go along

1723
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:52,800
with that they don't want to know they

1724
01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:54,360
don't want to know because they don't

1725
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,000
want to be asked well I understand that

1726
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:59,520
you are involved in this uh UFO project

1727
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:01,380
well that's so there goes Dennis

1728
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:05,100
kucinich you know so they don't they

1729
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:06,600
don't want to know

1730
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,540
what most people you know the way things

1731
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:11,820
are especially with those videos that

1732
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:14,940
came out in 2019

1733
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,900
from um Elizondo uh the that everybody's

1734
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:21,840
seen a thousand times there's no other

1735
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,600
explanation for those

1736
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:26,880
they're trying to waffle and say oh well

1737
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,120
it's a UAP unidentified aerial phenomena

1738
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,640
I know it's a UFO

1739
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:34,440
so they changed they changed the

1740
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,640
terminology from UFO to UAP which covers

1741
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,560
a lot of things and that's where they

1742
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:42,960
dump UFOs

1743
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,580
it's a it's a joke it's a joke but uh

1744
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,440
like I said I know what I know about

1745
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:52,560
Roswell there's some other good cases I

1746
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:54,840
say you know they're good cases but

1747
01:15:00,890 --> 01:14:57,300
I know they've had

1748
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,900
the stuff since 1947 and I don't know

1749
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:03,600
how they can say well we don't have any

1750
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,640
physical evidence well then if they're

1751
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:07,320
saying that they just don't know that

1752
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,300
you know they don't know about Roswell

1753
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:11,699
and they don't want to know

1754
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:16,140
so so true so true well Tom thank you so

1755
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,420
much for being here today for having

1756
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,460
this conversation thank you for your

1757
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,560
Decades of work on these cases I can't

1758
01:15:28,130 --> 01:15:25,320
wait to read more of your books I will

1759
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:28,140
have the I know I've got I've got some

1760
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:30,120
work to do

1761
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:32,280
um I will put links to all of that in

1762
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,960
the episode description for anyone who

1763
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:36,000
would like to find out more and read

1764
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:37,020
more

1765
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,580
um but thank you so much for your time

1766
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:40,080
today this has been a wonderful

1767
01:15:44,530 --> 01:15:41,880
conversation well I hope I didn't get

1768
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:44,540
too far down into the weeds

1769
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:47,880
uh you know for your audience it's tough

1770
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:50,280
when you have all these little factoids

1771
01:15:57,790 --> 01:15:53,460
it's tough to summarize sometimes and uh

1772
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:57,800
I hope I did oh you know impart the the

1773
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,080
best overview that I can to your

1774
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:03,719
audience oh you did it was wonderful I'm

1775
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,980
sure you've forgotten more about this

1776
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,960
than most people ever knew so thank you

1777
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,360
for sharing your your uh all of your

1778
01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:11,040
expertise thank you Kelly it's been nice

1779
01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:18,600
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